and dennis perkins, welcome. you weren't at this race. >> i wasn't at this one, i did another one, but wasn't there in '98. >> brian: first off, you have a smaller vessel than most, a huge storm and somebody said go around the storm and did. these guys went into it. and why did that work? what did we learn from that? >> what we learned from that, here you have a group of people who are in a small boat and the temptation is to turn around and run for safety. testify, but they realized if that happened they could easily be rolled as some other boats were. so they huddled and thought about it together and decided we need to sail into the storm even though it means hundreds of miles. >> brian: and the 80 foot waves, i'm going around it. but here we go. some of the lessons you boiled down to in the book, number one put team unity first, make the team the rock star. can't be about one person. >> absolutely. some professional boats have rock stars come in, they're sort of prima donnas and everything works around them an